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Posted 5/13/2007 10:36:39 AM Post #8244
 

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WillPat (5/13/2007)
ScottySue (5/12/2007)
I'm confused...
When posting a piccie in the competition you can check the "critique" box. So, while it is in competition it can also receive critique from the community. It is the same thing as posting in the forum as their name is attached to the piccie in that critique section.

So what's the difference?

Brian...welcome to DA!
I don't think I have a "Critique" box to check. That must be only for subscribers. But I can ask a question so I guess that amounts to the same thing.

To me the difference is about how individuals want to conduct themselves when the system gives alternatives. Maybe etiquette, or just plain good manners if the difference.

If you put any stock in the value of anonymous voting, you won't reveal your identity by posting a shot in the forums or the Critique section while it's in the voting pool. If anonymous voting means nothing to you, then the system allows you to bypass it, and potentially to abuse it.

If you think that constructive criticism should be a free flowing, give and take, commodity then you won't need to ask for it in more than one venue, or for more of it than you are willing to return. Photos in the voting pool can receive comments from voters. Does a person also need to ask for them in other ways?

Just because you can do something does mean that it isa goodthing to do.


Will,
I vote, I critique, I leave comments. I really don't pay attention to the name that pops up. So for me it is a non issue either way. I just wanted to bring to your attention that the critique feature is essentially the same as what people are doing in the forums and that their name is attached. The forum just gives a quicker response because people are more likely to read it, in my opinion. I sometimes forget about the critique area.
Anyway...I just wanted to make you aware.


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Posted 5/14/2007 5:02:10 AM Post #8259
 

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ScottySue (5/13/2007)
[quoteWill,
I vote, I critique, I leave comments. I really don't pay attention to the name that pops up. So for me it is a non issue either way. I just wanted to bring to your attention that the critique feature is essentially the same as what people are doing in the forums and that their name is attached. The forum just gives a quicker response because people are more likely to read it, in my opinion. I sometimes forget about the critique area.
Anyway...I just wanted to make you aware.
Thank you ScottySue.  I am like you in that I don't pay any attention to the names that pop up after I cast a vote.  In fact, I usually cover that corner of my monitor's screen by taping an index card over it.  It makes my voting go much faster, lol.  I think most people don't pay too much attention either, and as Tonka says, not many bother to track down who casts what vote.  Most of us vote and criticize honestly without regard to who entered an image, which is as it should be.  But as long as the system allows those less scrupulous to do so, the honest users will remain vulnerable to vote manipulation and retaliation.   
Posted 5/14/2007 5:06:38 AM Post #8260
 

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Tonka (5/13/2007)
Perhaps Admin could make it possible to post an anonymous critique...

If you archive your pic , post it for a critique either in the forum or with the critique check box...and you wanted to enter in the pool..no matter whether you edit it or not, after the critiques then your pic will still not be anonymous and therefore what is the sense in posting it for a critique if that is seen as "double dipping" by some.?

So you ask for feedback and then cant post the pic...

Working with the current system, I do not see anyone as double dipping by asking for a critique while their pic is in the pool but others dont see it that way..

when you ask for a comment , the "asked" can reply anonymously..it is my opinion that not that many people try and hunt down the commentor..really..

So I am thinking that to compromise,,maybe we can post for critiques anonymously  here in the forum and in the critique section in the voting area and still keep it in the pool or enter it after enough input.....sound good?...is it possible?..

just a thought.

some things are a lot more appropriate for compromise than others are.  I wish people would have a less compromising mindset when dealing with the integrity of our competitions.  
Posted 5/14/2007 10:05:10 AM Post #8267
 

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I've been reading the comments on posting a picture while it's still in the voting pool, and I really feel like several people are getting worked up over nothing.  Who really cares if someone posts there pic for a critique, and still has it in the voting pool.  I people were more willing to send a comment along with their vote then there may not be a need to post a picture. 

It's really the same if the person posted the pic for a critique took some advice and worked on the picture then posted it.  Some people would still recognize the picture.  I can tell just from looking at some pictures who took them. 

In addition, when a picture wins an award you see the name with the picture then you go and vote and you may see that picture again.  I know this happens often so it's really not completely annonymous voting, and never has been.  This seems like worrying about nothing.

Take it for what it's worth,

Brian

Posted 5/15/2007 6:59:36 AM Post #8291
 

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hollarsb (5/14/2007)
I've been reading the comments on posting a picture while it's still in the voting pool, and I really feel like several people are getting worked up over nothing.  Who really cares if someone posts there pic for a critique, and still has it in the voting pool.  I people were more willing to send a comment along with their vote then there may not be a need to post a picture. 

It's really the same if the person posted the pic for a critique took some advice and worked on the picture then posted it.  Some people would still recognize the picture.  I can tell just from looking at some pictures who took them. 

In addition, when a picture wins an award you see the name with the picture then you go and vote and you may see that picture again.  I know this happens often so it's really not completely annonymous voting, and never has been.  This seems like worrying about nothing.

Take it for what it's worth,

Brian

I guess what it comes down to Brian is that some of us want to have fair competitions here at DA, as fair as reasonably possible, and others don't care very much about that.
Posted 5/15/2007 9:57:22 AM Post #8302
 

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WillPat (5/15/2007)
hollarsb (5/14/2007)
I've been reading the comments on posting a picture while it's still in the voting pool, and I really feel like several people are getting worked up over nothing. Who really cares if someone posts there pic for a critique, and still has it in the voting pool. I people were more willing to send a comment along with their vote then there may not be a need to post a picture.

It's really the same if the person posted the pic for a critique took some advice and worked on the picture then posted it. Some people would still recognize the picture. I can tell just from looking at some pictures who took them.

In addition, when a picture wins an award you see the name with the picture then you go and vote and you may see that picture again. I know this happens often so it's really not completely annonymous voting, and never has been.This seems like worrying about nothing.

Take it for what it's worth,

Brian
I guess what it comes down to Brian is that some of us want to have fair competitions here at DA, as fair as reasonably possible, and others don't care very muchabout that.




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Posted 5/16/2007 12:49:31 PM Post #8372
 

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A competition for what exactly, just numbers and stats.. I wouldn't call that a competition.

(And its not my intention to bend the rules or anything like that)

To the point though can anyone see a link to the area of this competition... nope. I prefer the forum as it has more value then the competition itself. The reply and critic level is around 2000% more likely anyways...

So what do you guys who haven't given me their point of view of the photo "lilly" lol

Any advice or tips would be most welcome

Posted 5/16/2007 1:03:24 PM Post #8373
 

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Umm is Lilly the shepard?? sorry ,,got sidetracked as is normal around here...forgive me


 

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Posted 5/16/2007 5:41:30 PM Post #8386