 Posted 3/19/2007 7:53:29 PM
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| Okay I have to say something here...with respect and understanding for anonymity... I am not asking anyone to "JUSTIFY" their vote. that is a negative connotation and one which is just not the case in every or most of everyones requests. Not the case in any of mine..I know you understand the learning tool that it is...I am sorry that it seems that some think it is primarily for justification of a six..there is nothign wrong with a six and I have learned to live without those comments but with a four or five you are denying a learning tool... I do not mind someone ignoring me , though frustrating as it is on 3,4 or five but it would be very helpful and downright courteous to let someone know why their pic was bad enough to get a three.. ...but as always just my opinion...
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Posted 3/19/2007 7:59:30 PM
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A lot of people aren't asking for justification... BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE... that is where the negativity comes in. And you can always tell which ones they are because of their response.
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Posted 3/19/2007 8:10:52 PM
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Well, sign me up to be first on the “BANNED LIST” then.
In my opinion, comment requests have gotten completely out of hand. It is just too easy to click that request button. I have been getting 10 to 15% comment requests back after I vote. I tried to hold the party line and continue to answer them for a while; but after a voting session in mid January that drew 42 “Request for Comments” I quit… First, I quit voting, then I decided that hurt my enjoyment so I choose just to quit answering the multitude of request.
Perhaps if I voted 8’s, 9’s and 10’s on every image I would avoid some of these requests. But the combination of a high weight and a lower than average voting style just primes the comment request pump. God forbid, you vote a six or worse a five on an average entry. Everyone thinks they deserve an explanation as to why you have disrespected their work.
I support everyone’s efforts to learn. I believe in being helpful and I feel that I exhibit that often at Daily Awards. Still, it should be up to me to choose how and when I wish to offer that help. As for a requested comment, I have already given my opinion once on that image through my vote. That should be enough! I should neither be forced to explain my vote nor be made to feel like a second-class citizen if I choose not to.
A forced “comment request” is not my idea of any “great help” anyway. The majority of requests are made based on the poster’s dislike of a vote. Most answers are just an attempt to defend that unwelcome vote. To me, neither perspective provides the most conducive environment for education. WE
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Posted 3/19/2007 8:48:18 PM
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| Ya know, all I can say is this,,,I have not really been met with negativity yet for my score/comment...so i guess that is a good thing.. In my case I requested alot on sixes in the beginning..not so much anymore ...I certainly can see your point on getting tons of them and I do agree in that case...I was not saying that you or anyone should HAVE to do that...my opinion just holds for the non extreme cases..please understand that...Also for an image that is averaging oh let's just say high sevens..I think a 3 vote would certainly warrant asking a request if you dont want to give it ,,well then no one can make you can they?..Perhaps no one should take the votes so seriously then...oh latidah,,I got a 2 ...whateva... The more I participate the more I learn and less I need as I have learned what I needed through the whole process of this all.. perhaps there are issues which I am oblivious to, dunno but I am here for a specific purpose and like to have a fairly easy going attitude and don't always see firsthand the negative issues amongst members/voting/comment requests and scores. Plus , I enjoy helping and being helped.. I am grateful for those oppurtunities. I thought DA was for photography/voting/getting votes and learning.. I always support other's opinions..I try and not tell anyone they should do something or it is a negative( I should say was not ever my intention)...and I just feel it is important when making the decision for yourself that all sides are understood.. And I will once again state that it is just as curtious for the requesting to be mature and take the comment/vote in stride and constructively.. that's all. edited to ask:....does everyone really get snitty over votes and comments that often???
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Posted 3/20/2007 2:42:23 AM
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Tonka (3/19/2007)
Okay I have to say something here...with respect and understanding for anonymity... I am not asking anyone to "JUSTIFY" their vote. that is a negative connotation and one which is just not the case in every or most of everyones requests. Not the case in any of mine..I know you understand the learning tool that it is...I am sorry that it seems that some think it is primarily for justification of a six..there is nothign wrong with a six and I have learned to live without those comments but with a four or five you are denying a learning tool... I do not mind someone ignoring me , though frustrating as it is on 3,4 or five but it would be very helpful and downright courteous to let someone know why their pic was bad enough to get a three.....but as always just my opinion... Tonka, please don't take offense but I think that if you are sending out Requests for Comment on low votes such as "a four or five", and not sending them out on high votes, that amounts to asking a voter for justification. Don't you think the high voter can give helpful advice too? I am pretty sure that your intention is not to force people to explain their votes, nor to intimidate them into voting higher, but those might be the unintended consequences of Requests for Comment. And as far as being denied a learning tool, ... I haven't seen any of your shots in the Critique section lately.
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Posted 3/20/2007 3:14:55 AM
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| Another point I'd like to bring up in this discussion of Requests for Comments is that only subscribed users can make them but some people expect the non-subscribed users to answer them. There is an imbalance in that equation. Same goes for the Critique feature. I suspect that some users might feel more like supplying constructive criticism to others if they were able to ask for and receive it as well. We would be better off if there was not a separation of the two groups over this point. Personally, I don't mind giving my opinion of other people's works when I think I have something helpful to say. Sometimes, even though I know I don't particularly care for a photo, I can't think how it can be improved, or of anything positive to say about it. I resent the heck out of anyone thinking they have the right to ask me to justify my votes, or even thinking they have a right to know how I have voted on any image. I plan to continue ignoring all of the Requests for Comment that I receive and will try to comment on as many as I can of the images in the Critique section.
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Posted 3/20/2007 4:36:05 AM
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| Well I did say I will once in awhile ask on a high vote.. but here is what happened..I came to learn that requests can be ummm, well not so pleasant if you constantly get them for every six you give..I don't ask as often for the simple fact of not wanting to perturb people. I don't think that is fair either. Will, I did have a situtaion where an image was averaging high sevens and I got one three...I definately did want an explanation ...I do take the scores seriously but in an educational manner...I was fortunate enough to get some words but on a scale of 1-10 what does three mean toyou?..perhaps you do not care, let's throw that aside for a moment...What if how you fared here was very important, let's say you did not want to make an investment if your skills suck and you just did not have a knack for photography...let's say you wanted to somehow make a living at this, or just part of one... let's just say you are very very serious about the results you get/find here.. let's just say that you cannot afford to sink tons of money into this wonderful art but you do because of the direct results of this site or sites like it...Would you then not see the importance?... Just an example folks...partly true though. I am serious about this..DA is not everything, the opinions here don't necessarily hold true for the rest of the world and your pics may be better or worse received elsewhere but in many areas DA is a wonderful tool... I think it is too bad that people do not have self control on some issues... here's another example...everyone has the right to vote what they want..let's say you on average vote alot lower than most anyway.. still on a scale of 1-10 what does a 5 mean?....and how are we supposed to know , to judge our skill/progress by a low vote from somone who wishes not to tell us... I didn't join da toget wrapped up games...I came to learn and I am serious about it...If only subscribers should do the requests...how do we know who is subscribing? when the votes come through. For that matter how are we supposed to know anything about the votes when they come through....unless we ask.. Perhaps your idea has some merit though. You havent seen any of my pics up in critique cause I got one comment on the last one I left up there for over a week... I try and comment on any that I can ,sometimes like you , I am at a loss for advice...but basically my critique requests are lacking replies for whatever reason , I have resorted to pulling them from that tool to the forum critique section and I don't think it it is right to keep asking these helpful members to address my needs...If you could get more people to participate with the request critique section than , more power to you.. I think it is a shame that there are so many members here and all I can get is a five person sample to share their opinion or ideas on any of my pics...(very grateful for those you guys )... Please don't forget, sitting here getting a score we have no clue what or why you chose what you chose so stop being defensive over "why do I gotta justify". certainly in some cases yes...a certain photog got a 1 on an image(the image was on the upper end of the scale, let's be honest here)....is there any possible good faith reason behind that?...(save an accidental push of the one but seriously, 1 is a far ways from 8,9.or10) This is an example where I certainly could justify wanting a justification but again, if I didnt get it , my world would not stop.. okay off the box now..just more thoughts.
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Posted 3/20/2007 6:09:58 AM
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