 Posted 8/12/2008 7:42:08 AM
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snap (8/12/2008)
I use to add all of that info but have stopped reason being most don't even take the time to read it . The other thing is that the camera settings are ever changing , every lighting needs a different setting , your distance from your subject every thing will change ,so unless you are there shooting the exact same thing it will get you in the ball park but no home run . I am not sure if it is only me but I have been wondering how much photo shopping is allowed before it is digital art . some of the land scape's ,sea scape , bugs ,portraits & even birds & animals do not look natural to my eye . I was under the impression that only basic adjustments were allowed , or that is the way it is on most sites . When one is competing with not only their camera and the basic ( crop , brightness,sharpening )with those who are extremely good in Photo Shop then they would have to explain their photo shop editing as well as their camera settings ,that could be a full page by the looks of some of the photos I have voted on .
The idea of giving the information is to educate photographers to think about what is being done, not that they can go out and use the exact settings and clone the image. I have seen this done on other sites and it does not need to take a lot of words or essays to get the idea across. As for PS. I know folks, some folks take issue with some of the post processing that is done. PS is here and is very much a part of the photography world and is not going away. I have yet to meet a professional photographer that isn't doing a fair amount of PS post processing on their images. I know their are purist out there and that is all well and good. But reality is that PS is used more and more. Jorge had a thread on digital art that was quite good, sorry, but I don't have the link handy. I want to know what others did in PS to learn how to do more tech in the program. I guess the controversy over how much is too much may prevent some from doing so for now, but I am one to encourage others to talk about it. I can see it is being done and would like to know more. This site is about educating more than "winning" isn't it? If we were competing for thousands of dollars or euros then what I did may be more secret. Think about it 
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Posted 8/12/2008 7:57:06 AM
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Tcall (8/12/2008)
[quote] snap (8/12/2008)
As for PS. I know folks, some folks take issue with some of the post processing that is done. PS is here and is very much a part of the photography world and is not going away. I have yet to meet a professional photographer that isn't doing a fair amount of PS post processing on their images.
Think about it
If it were only the photographers...nowadays every editor does his image adulteration before something gets printed.
But even before PS images were changed, I don't know how many are old enough to remember the 3 bath positive BW development, the slicer retouch, the pen retouch, contrast fanning and what-have-you. I think that it is part of the artisany of a photographer. But much more is to know when to stop "improving" as every "improvement" comes with a price to the overall image quality.
If you have a problem with reality, quit taking photos and take up painting
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Posted 8/12/2008 7:59:49 AM
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| I agree and sometimes the response is " over saturated, over sharpened, looks too garish, etc. These are all learning situations
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Posted 8/12/2008 8:03:34 AM
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I have one of those images posted (after we had our "improved image" discussion) and am shocked that nobody has spotted it so far, the only comment I got is "grainy".
Just goes to show how much the "sharpen" function is part of our perception.
If you have a problem with reality, quit taking photos and take up painting
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Posted 8/12/2008 1:18:41 PM
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| Kamikazi Let me know which image it is and I'll leave you some "constructive" feedback 
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Posted 8/12/2008 1:40:49 PM
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Tcall (8/12/2008)
Kamikazi
Let me know which image it is and I'll leave you some "constructive" feedback
If you have a problem with reality, quit taking photos and take up painting
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Posted 8/12/2008 4:12:45 PM
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| I think the idea of posting how a shot was taken is a fantastic idea. Certainly, uploading the EXIF info is helpful (and hopefully we can do that automatically like other sites), but the other facts that are not included in EXIF. I've started doing that with my photos, 1st because someone accused me of digital art, and then I happened to see someone else on another site including this type of info and it really helped me. I wanted to do the same for others, not that I'm a great photographer, but maybe it will help someone just like me - and maybe they'll give me some other ideas or suggestions - which they have! Good ones, I should add!! One other comment about EXIF info, is that if you save for web I believe this info is lost.
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Posted 8/12/2008 5:00:25 PM
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| Diamondskier I believe you are correct about losing that data when saved for web uploading. The info should still be available in the original image, which you probably save. Yes, the idea is that you learn, others learn and that becomes the point. Sure, give me a 9 or 10 and that feels great, but I also want to learn what's going on with a 5 or 6 as well. Or educate another on how come they aren't getting higher scores. Hopefully in a gentle kind way as I know how easyily someone can be offended about such a personal creation as a photograph.
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Posted 8/14/2008 6:29:52 AM
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