 Posted 7/28/2008 4:13:25 AM
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adienis (7/28/2008)
Sometimes I wish I could skip the image without voting. Especially those with specific American sports - baseball and that what is called football in America. Very often I cannot find anything special except people standing and looking around (or running, jumping). Perhaps the photographer has catched the key moment of the game and there is something very special, but how should somebody vote if the idea is incomprehensible? Comments like "Apicture comes in with a 3-2 count, bases loaded to save the game." do not really help, sorry, nothing personal.
Thanks. A good photograph is a good photograph. Judge the photo on the merits of the photo and not the sports. Some of the best sports photos I've seen have been rugby shots. I have no idea how rugby is played but I can still appreciate aspects of a rugby shot like exposure, sharpness, color, orginality, and if there was some action frozen in the shot. Personally I prefer viewing subject matter that I'm not familar with.
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Posted 7/29/2008 1:41:42 PM
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About not voting for some images, actually they do not want you to do that and there may be something in the system that penalizes you for not voting on everything that comes up. I would suggest starting a new thread in Ask Questions and putting that question out again. Maybe some of the big shots on the site can give you the right answer....
Good luck and I will watch for it.
Tocky
Tocky B.
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Posted 7/29/2008 1:46:01 PM
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That is just what I find difficult about this site. There are as many systems for voting as there are voters, and I don't mind one bit except when I get yelled at for using a system that is different from what the recipient of the vote uses. I had have people with very high weights tell me very different ways to vote, and I don't think that helps.
IIf people would stop getting nasty about votes they receive, it would not be a problem, but feelings get hurt and some do not rise above it.
Just my opinion,
Tocky
Tocky B.
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Posted 8/9/2008 4:02:19 PM
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Dear Tocky,
I feel your pain! My experience with voting is that a vote of seven (or more) is expected for photos that should receive a four or five vote. When you vote your conscience they request a comment. (Whatever you do...DO NOT RESPOND TO THE REQUEST! It is posted directly ON THE PHOTO and you are no longer anonymous.) From there you can expect harassment, insults and e-mails. One individual demanded I post a public apology in this forum, found my personal e-mail address and wrote me seven or eight e-mails. The behavior continued until I notified the site manager. (I have to admit I was shocked to see this individual wrote several responses to your post encouraging you to vote honestly. I'm guessing you are supposed to vote honestly EXCEPT for their photos.)Some of the worst offenders are a few individuals that consider themselves to be excellent photographers or the 'top tier' of this site. Apparently, their concern is that a few bad votes will affect their average and the planet will implode. Some of the photos may be pretty but they are SOS (Same Old S***). When I google an image and there are 54,000 images of the SAME thing from the same perspective...you may get a five (an eight for aesthetics, a three for originality...minus .5 for boredom). BE ORIGINAL! (...and do not even consider posting another rose photo with 'dew' or any photo so saccharine sweet that it could be used to advertise feminine hygiene products, burial plans or retirement homes) Another complaint from photographers is that it was a difficult shot to capture, generally because the subject would not hold still (although the other 53,999 google users didn't seem to have the same problem). For this issue I suggest they only take photos of static objects (those with roots, foundations or too heavy to move) or possibly sedate the subject.
I have never requested comments from voters. First of all, voting is subjective and it is an opinion. If a voter has something to say, they will take the time to comment. If an individual does not like my picture it does not offend me...you can't please everyone all of the time.
For those individuals who continually complain I suggest a portion of the site should be set aside for them. The only rating allowed would be a ten and every day we could proclaim them King of the World. After we have our top 300 Kings of the World we could put them in a virtual arena where they could compete for the ultimate title. We could have categories wins for King of Whining, Complaining, Pouting, B*******, Sarcasm, Insults and Generally Malcontent. As an alternative....the little princesses could grow up! Gail
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Posted 8/9/2008 5:03:25 PM
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Gail, I'm a little confused. Are we supposed to Google an image before we vote? I haven't been doing that. Does it really help to know that there are 54,000 other similar images on the Net? I wouldn't want to miss out on any helpful voting techniques.
Go when you can, go where you can, shoot what you can
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Posted 8/9/2008 5:13:29 PM
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| Gail, . I'm also cofused. Isn't DA here to help people with their photography, rather then just kicking back and collecting votes? To NOT respond to an RFC is to say screw everyone here. I'm sure with Googling images all the time you should have some really great suggestions on how to improve images here. . Most of the people here put back into the site what they receive. You have been here over 2 years now and your participation is second to none. . Alan Also Gail, I was wondering what question you were asking in your post. This section of the forum is for new members to ask questions reguarding the site.
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Posted 8/9/2008 5:25:42 PM
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See, there are two type of photographers: those who want to network as colleagues and those who think they are the greatest since Leonardo da Vinci .... only that Leonardo did not have a camera.
As far as learning, with the first group there may be a possibility, with the second not.
Some of the second group don't even take to well to constructive criticism, with response like: " depth of space? Have you read a magazine or something?" Or they try to tell you that a picture does not look the way you took it...despite never being there.
So, the moral of the story? Let 'em scream and go about your "bidness". That is the conclusion of one week of membership.
I am less disappointed at the fact that people cast votes "in their interest", after all that is human. What disappoints me about DA is that less than 1% of the membership bothers to vote at all.
If you have a problem with reality, quit taking photos and take up painting
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Posted 8/9/2008 5:50:29 PM
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When I have given a five or six rating because the photo is ordinary and less than creative, I google the subject and include it as an example of WHY the photo received the rating. I sometimes include links to photos (of the same subject) that I consider to be outstanding and that I would rate an eight or a nine. On several occasions I received responses claiming their photo should have been voted a seven or an eight.
If I have photographed something like a tourist attraction which has numerous photos I google the image as a form of self editing. I may try processing the photo differently or choose a unique perspective. (I generally spend hours taking photos and can have multiple photos taken from many angles as the light changes.) I also post my photos on sites that are a little less forgiving. They do not sugar coat their critiques and it is difficult to argue with someone who takes photos for national magazines etc. The correct response is "Thank you for taking the time to review my work." When I critique their work they do not react in a negative or insulting manner. Perhaps they realize "when you already know everything...you can't learn anything."
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Posted 8/9/2008 5:58:09 PM
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