 Posted 7/8/2008 3:16:51 PM
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hahn23 (7/8/2008)
Kiwi (7/8/2008)
LAC (7/7/2008)
Who titled this original post?  sorry..............  Well spotted! ROFLMAO.  ( Sorry Richard, this is at your expense, hope you can see the funny side of this.) My funny side is ample.  The way I hear it, your "ample" side is funny.
Go when you can, go where you can, shoot what you can
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Posted 7/12/2008 7:23:00 AM
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hahn23 (7/7/2008)
Problems persist at both ends of the extremes of image sizes in the contest.
1. Some images in the contest are relatively small. They are at a disadvantage when compared to images sized to 640 pixels on the longest dimension, proportions constrained. Small images are not prohibited, but they really are so small, it's difficult to discern and inspect details. Definitely not in the best interests of the participant to upload a thumbnail sized image. It's possible this contest site should have a minimum dimension for the short side of an image, proportions constrained. 426 pixels would be the minimum dimension I would suggest.
2. Some images are huge, when viewed at full size. Rarely, does a very large full size image help the score of a voting window version. It's because some people are showing a 100% pixel view. That is going to reveal all the flaws and fuzziness in the image. Or, some people are sizing up their images beyond the pixels available, forcing their post-processing application to interpolate pixels. That will degrade an image's quality every time. The 2000 pixel allowance for members was intended to facilitate panorama images. That's a great use of the full size feature. But, if a member has a square or a standard rectangle (3:2 or 4:5) and upsizes to 2000 pixels on the longest dimension, it will not be to the advantage of the image's score. It's possible this contest site should have a maximum dimension for the long side of an image, proportions constrained. 1080 pixels would be the maximum dimension I would suggest.
3. The 2000 pixel allowance for panorama images should be retained. Although, it would be in everyone's best interest to place a vertical maximum dimension on panoramas of 800 pixels.
How can we help members and registered users size images to their best advantage? For new members with "how to" questions, there is a sizing article: Size your Image for Contest Success.
As a newcomer, I am sorry I took so long to look at this thread, ....... I was confused before, but I know what to do with my images now, I think. I have also bookmarked the article and will read soon.
Thank you, the forum is wonderful, I need to make better use of it.
Tocky
Tocky B.
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Posted 7/12/2008 9:07:34 AM
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Stormhaven (7/7/2008)
Unfortunately, this very serious issue will continue until two things happen. (1) Eric considers (does) not allowing large size photos, except for the Panorama category, which in the long run will help everyone, and will prevent misunderstandings between voters and submitters. (2) Everyone is notified of the problem and the solution, once, twice, or as many times as it takes, until all members have gotten the message. It's not just new members who need the info, everyone does, and most folks don't read the forum, so there has to be a continual campaign to help everyone perform up to best of their ability. That's JMO, but I'm sticking to it.
While I understand what you are saying I disagree with option 1. What you are proposing is basically catering to the least common denominator at the expense of those that know how to use the added resolution. There are images that can only be properly displayed at higher resolution. Some images, without the benefit of showing the detail captured fail to convey the true story of the image.
I agree that if used improperly it degrades the image but isn't that the same case that is encountered when sharpening an image, using a shallow DOF, or any of a number of decisions that we make about our image presentation? Being a skilled photographer requires technical abilities in all facets of the craft, not just in the simple capture.
As to option 2, The responsibility falls squarely on the photographer. I will say though that there is an implied responsibility for those that compete to help any member willing to listen to and apply the feedback that they get.
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Posted 8/11/2008 8:13:17 PM
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| Hi Richard, I had no idea that my photos were so large at 2000 pixels that it was ruining my scores. I really hate to show everyone my flaws! If you desire to critizise me on my photos, please do so. If I feel the pain for two or three seconds, it won't hurt me at all. As they say at the Olymics, "you have to feel the pain to swim the 400 meters". Dolittle
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Posted 8/11/2008 8:23:40 PM
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Okay, so anyone who is having trouble with sizing images, please send me a message. I'll be happy to help.
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Posted 8/11/2008 8:36:34 PM
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| I guess size does matter! There is a point to all of this and it is EDUCATE members. If I vote on an image and the full size is like trying to see an 18 wheeler from about "6 inches" away ( no pun meant here) then I will tell the "member" about the idea of reducing the size of their................ uploaded image Simple, no?
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Posted 8/11/2008 8:55:13 PM
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Tcall (8/11/2008)
I guess size does matter!
There is a point to all of this and it is EDUCATE members. If I vote on an image and the full size is like trying to see an 18 wheeler from about "6 inches" away ( no pun meant here) then I will tell the "member" about the idea of reducing thesize of their................ uploaded image
Simple, no?
Sizing images for Internet display or email display is not easy. One has to think about ppi and available screen size. The ppi is easy.... 72 ppi is standard for most Internet display devices. That means you should size your images at no larger than the majority of monitor display size. In general, many monitors are no taller (vertically) than 720 pixels. This means that if you want voters to cast their opinion on your image, it's usually best to constrain your images to 720 pixels on the vertical dimension, proportions constrained.
Of course, you can size your image larger. But, it will mean that some voters/ viewers will need to scroll around their monitor screens to see your image. This rarely results in higher scores.
In summary, images which deviate from the voting window size of 640 pixels on the longest dimension, in either direction, will discover impairment of their score. Not illegai, but not a "joy".
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Posted 8/11/2008 9:32:29 PM
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I have always sized my submissions here to 620 or so on the long side. I don't like scrolling that much and always thought 640 was a rule here. I just keep them in a separate folder so there is no confusion with another version of the photo.
Jeff
PhotoAbuse.com
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Posted 8/12/2008 12:34:43 AM
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