 Posted 7/1/2008 7:08:15 AM
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After looking at lots of peoples voting stats I've come to the unsurprising conclusion that most people don't vote objectively at all, but rather on personal likes and dislikes.
To help combat this wouldn't it make more sense to split the vote? For instance each photo could be scored from 1 to 10 on: Technicalities, Shot difficulty, imagination/uniqueness, composition and aesthetics and then given a combined mean score.
In doing so people would have to actually think about what they're looking at more; and photographers would get a better idea of what others consider there strengths and weaknesses.
Now obviously this will lengthen the voting process; so the question is do we want to spend that extra time, and be more objective and informative, or do we want to keep the unhelpful 'speed vote, and not answer RFC's' system we use now?
How can we improve if we don't know where we're going wrong?
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Posted 7/1/2008 8:00:41 AM
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| I'm not too sure about a split vote............ ........but I do know, because I can appreciate how hard certain flower or bug shots are, I probably do vote in a more critical way in those categories. When it comes to Digital Art, or Portraits ( and a few others)........I know nothing, other than what appeals to me. It's also the reason why when I get a high vote from a member who excels in flowers or bugs, I hold it in such high regard. That's not to say that there aren't members here who do have the 'know how' in all aspects of photography,.... but choose to enter in select categories... .........am I making any sense at all? ~L
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Posted 7/1/2008 8:25:29 AM
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If going in this direction it should be more complex. Get rid of the overall rating of 1 - 10
1-10 boxes for each technical point such as focus, perspective, resolution, lighting, prospective, difficulty, background distractions, etc plus 1-10 for like or dislike subject.
Then all points combined with each point having the same amount of influence to equal the total score (example 10 different voting criteria equals 10% for each value). With a comment box included for positive, constructive criticism.
That way it is based on an overall score instead of the like and dislike having so much influence, it is more equalized and some of the newer voters will know what to grade the photo.
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Posted 7/1/2008 9:13:54 AM
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| You mean something like the way the judges rate/vote on figure skating or gymnastics?
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Posted 7/1/2008 3:19:39 PM
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I know nothing of figure skating voting, but I think that is the idea. The voting page would look something like:
Rate the photo using the following criteria 10 being best:
Focus 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Lighting 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Perspective 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Composition 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Few Distractions 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Alignment/Horizon 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Post-processing 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Appeals to the viewer 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Right Category 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Unique 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Each criteria can earn up to ten points. Then will be added together say a 9, 9, 10, 7, 10, 10, 7, 6, 10, 5 to equal 76 divide by 10 or whatever number of criteria there is, and the average score of the vote would be 7.6 ( I am not good with mathematics, so forgive on this one) and the 7.6 would be applied to the photo as a vote.
It would have the voter looking at each aspect separately, they would view the photo longer, and one aspect would not over weigh the other, unless they voted that everything about it was really bad. Each part would be worth 10% of the vote.
It would equalize the voting field because some (myself included, but I am trying to work on that) take away more than 10 percent of the vote if they dislike one part of the picture. For a subscriber who paid a special fee they could see the break down of each aspect, instead of just the overall rating.
I would actually pay for access to something like that, Was just an idea though.
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Posted 7/1/2008 3:46:56 PM
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The concept is correct. However, the complexity is troubling. Might slow down the voting of the considerate and careful voters.... or deter them altogether from voting. I take all your suggested criteria into consideration in a few moments. Maybe my brain is wired a bit differently than others. (no laughing!!!! ) But, I compile these characteristics into a single score quite quickly.... without neglecting any of the parameters. I understand the potential benefit of communicating the strengths and weakness of an image to the author. That said, it's usually best to just verbalize, via constructive comments, the suggestions for improvement. Lots of people will not accept a numerical score on their image's characteristics. But, if one just communicates, via heartfelt words, the rationale for the vote, the author will take it more seriously.
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Posted 7/1/2008 4:11:04 PM
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| With all the concerns I have seen in the forums recently, I am not sure that leaving comments is working that well. Complexity of the problem is the main problem but when people are having a bad day and you leave a comment saying out of focus and they message back to put your glasses on, it's supposed to be that way....starting to wonder if leaving numbers would create less strain within the community. Might add time but it would be a better way to say these are the problems.
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Posted 7/1/2008 4:14:52 PM
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Were it not for the time that it would take to vote it migh not be a bad idea but boy would it be a big drain of time to vote.
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Posted 7/1/2008 4:22:34 PM
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