 Posted 6/25/2008 5:53:23 PM
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I very much feel that certain top-weighted members "honour" each other with high scores. Sure their images may very well be deserving of high scores BUT when they come from the highest weighted members then obviously it raises suspicion that they may very well be looking after each other!
For those reasons I'd like to suggest that "at least" the top ten weighted members are Handicapped!
The Gulf between several of the top-members and the majority of members and indeed the effect that top-members scores have on the majority of members images is waaaaay too much! It's totally impossible to recover from a 1000+ x 6 or 7 within the timescale allowed before an image is automatically archived.
Anyway, I'd like to see the implemetation of some form of Handicap system put in place.
It's done in Horse-Racing, Golf and many other competitive environments - so why not here?
Perhaps it would prove fruitful for DA if those within the top ten weights were not allowed to vote upon each others images? This would go some way to handicapping those at the top of their game and also go some way to dismantling the perception of a Cartel type understanding between those at the top of the tree.
Thoughts/Opinions appreciated.
If you want the rainbow - you gotta put up with the rain.
A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel sooooo good! 
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Posted 6/25/2008 7:32:33 PM
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I don't agree that most of the high weighted voters are working together, I think they are very firm on their voting with what they look for in pictures and just automatically vote higher on certain pictures because the photo's include what they know is best especially in their field of photography.
However I do do agree that it is impossible to recover when a voter that has over 1000 weight, votes a 6 on an image that has received an average of 8.093 rating. Even with the votes in the 200 range it effects the rating dramatically and takes some of the pictures out of the running for awards.
There would not be a way to fairly handicap the voters who have earned the right to their voter weight. Standard categories are capped. If there is a major difference in scores between the two categories, I would request a review. I don't think they would consider having the signature votes capped and adding a 'premier' category for the best of the best but you could suggest this.
I am not really happy that there are some with massive power to strike some photos down with one click, but it makes everyone want to try harder and achieve more and there is usually much to be learned from most of them.
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Posted 6/25/2008 8:19:31 PM
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Sunnyside Sandy (6/25/2008)
Thoughts/Opinions appreciated.
What a load of crap... Frankly, you insult both the integrity of the site and it's participants as well as embarrass yourself, with these baseless allegations of collusion. Yes, plain and simple, you accused the top members of cheating in order to advance their cause..
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The Highest ranked members of this site are in their position for only one reason.
EXCEPTIONAL PHOTOGRAPHY!
Talk about a handicap - how about this. Get to the top, then Delete ALL your images and START ALL OVER again. Then get to the TOP AGAIN. That is exactly what both the two highest weighted members of the site have accomplished.
If you post the best images, the voters will recognize and reward them with their votes. If you want more front page wins - post better photographs. WE
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Posted 6/25/2008 8:28:16 PM
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Sunnyside Sandy (6/25/2008)
I very much feel that certain top-weighted members "honour" each other with high scores. Sure their images may very well be deserving of high scores BUT when they come from the highest weighted members then obviously it raises suspicion that they may very well be looking after each other!
For those reasons I'd like to suggest that "at least" the top ten weighted members are Handicapped!
The Gulf between several of the top-members and the majority of members and indeed the effect that top-members scores have on the majority of members images is waaaaay too much! It's totally impossible to recover from a 1000+ x 6 or 7 within the timescale allowed before an image is automatically archived.
Anyway, I'd like to see the implemetation of some form of Handicap system put in place.
It's done in Horse-Racing, Golf and many other competitive environments - so why not here?
Perhaps it would prove fruitful for DA if those within the top ten weights were not allowed to vote upon each others images? This would go some way to handicapping those at the top of their game and also go some way to dismantling the perception of a Cartel type understanding between those at the top of the tree.
Thoughts/Opinions appreciated.
So collusion is what you are charging? I know you are familiar with the term, right? It has happened here before, right? Were I you I'd focus on some other, honorable, way to increase my scores.
I sure wish I hadn't taken the time to respond to a previous post as the whole picture now becomes clear.
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Posted 6/26/2008 9:39:04 AM
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| OK. Gather around the camp fire, huddle close, while I tell you a tale of desperate treachery and duplicitousness. . Once upon a time, in the land of DA, lived an old crone who's images, though mostly good, did not get the recognition she thought they deserved. One dark night she conjured up a Demonic plan to usurp the rightful winners and replace them with herself and her acolytes. . From among the ranks of DA she carefully chose others who were willing to collude with her in order to promote their own images and destroy the oppositions. One of her ploys was to compromise a persons integrity and then threaten to go public if they didn't play along. For a short time the plan worked. . However, one of her recruits, stricken by conscience, blew the whistle. Blew the whistle so hard that it blew the wicked witch clear out of the land of DA. Deborah Frances was history. Her co-conspirators were allowed to stay on board and I for one was told categorically to let the matter drop. I did. . How ironic then that one of the old crones minions now has the sheer unadulterated gall to accuse innocent members of collusion. If the author of this thread had gotten his way, it'd be him, DF, and others who would be at the top - and us complaining about their high weights and the adverse effects it had on our scores. . The truth is that you Sandy would love to be at or near the top of the pile - but your work doesn't cut it. The other day I gave an awful macro of a fly a score of 6 - then saw that it was yours. The next day I encountered a good macro, gave it 8, and that was yours too. The point I'm hinting at is CONSISTENCY. You post the occasional great shot, but a lot of crap too. . Your suggestion of a handicap whereby the top however many are barred from voting on each others images is either a case of sloppy thinking or an outright attempt to rig things in your favour. So an image of yours could be voted on by all the biggest weights, whereas mine would never see such votes. In your dreams. . Collusion. How does that work? If I were ever to receive a message from another member suggesting such a thing - my first step would be to send a copy of the Message to Admin, and then secondly I'd post it in the Forum. Of course there are always some who'll play along, usually those who can't get to where they want to be through sheer merit. Its a shame really. . Isn't it time you outgrew these childish conspiracy theories - one minute believing that you can conspire your way to the top, the next minute suggesting that others have already done so. What a load of crap, especially from a former minion of the old crone. I'm afraid the only credibility you have left around here exists solely in your own mind. You're simply a bitter and spent force capable of nothing more than hurling bile and venom at those you once sought to emulate and then outrank - by cheating..
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Posted 6/26/2008 11:00:54 AM
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Tonight I was after a hard days work oh so ready to vegetate in front of the box. Just this once and maybe watch a bit of East-enders. That was until Glynn crashed into my consciousness with all that delicious talk of huddling round the campfire. The thought of dancing sparks and folk songs got me quite nostalgic for a while.
However that would be to stray off the subject.
Wonderful idea Sandy ! great stuff..... This is a wind up isn't it ?
Please say it is a wind up.
sue
The meek shall inherit the earth but not the mineral rights. Getty
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Posted 6/26/2008 9:46:54 PM
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My responses are in bold.
Glynn (6/26/2008)
Once upon a time, in the land of DA, lived an old crone who's images, though mostly good, did not get the recognition she thought they deserved. One dark night sheconjured up a Demonic plan to usurp the rightful winners and replace them with herself and her acolytes.
You mean she got above and split the Hierarchy (the powers that be - e.g. yourself and Mt Hahn!) A very, very dangerous thing to do indeed!!
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From among the ranks of DA she carefully chose others who were willing to collude with her in order to promote their own images and destroy the oppositions. One of her ploys was to compromise a persons integrity and then threaten to go public if they didn't play along. For a short time the plan worked.
It's just a pity that none of those in the Richard/Glynn gang have the bottle to expose your "understanding!" - but then it's probably undefined and basically a case of "You play the game with us and we'll help you out now and again.......or else!!"
However, one of her recruits, stricken by conscience, blew the whistle. Blew the whistle so hard that it blew the wicked witch clear out of the land of DA. Deborah Frances was history. Her co-conspirators were allowed to stay on board and I for one was told categorically to let the matter drop. I did.
Have you ever thought about writing a book? Very dramatic and imaginative to say the least Glynn.
Maybe, you'd like to inform the community why both yourself and Richard suddenly deleted the majority of your images!!!??? Was it perhaps because they provided "Clear" evidence of collusion with the very same person that conjured up this story to discredit those members that had "noticed" a voting discrepancy??
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How ironic then that one of the old crones minions now has the sheer unadulterated gall to accuse innocent members of collusion. If the author of this thread had gotten his way, it'd be him, DF, and others who would be at the top - and us complaining about their high weights and the adverse effects it had on our scores.
Glynn - read all my posts on this forum - I've "always" championed fairness and been against those that have manipulated the system. And I've "always" tried hard to come up with suggestions to improve and better the system!
From the very early days....when I was inadvertantly involved in the Witch-Hunt of Magda Indigo and then influenced by your side-kick.... the scalping of Carol K. Then, I was somehow "blamed" for helping to expose the cheating of WRK - who in return planted instructions with some members "to set him up and get him at all costs!"
Give me some credit Glyn!! Tut Tut
The truth is that you Sandy would love to be at or near the top of the pile - but your work doesn't cut it. The other day I gave an awful macro of a fly a score of 6 - then saw that it was yours. The next day I encountered a good macro, gave it 8, and that was yours too. The point I'm hinting at is CONSISTENCY. You post the occasional great shot, but a lot of crap too.
Glynn - I, and other fair minded members, will only ever get the chance to get close to the top of the tree when members such as yourself and Mr Hahn are also exposed. I'm not holding my breath but I have faith that it will happen one day!
Neither of you like your superiority to be threatened. If it is, then you and your disciples will do their utmost to crush that threat! No matter what it takes - it usually starts with propaganda being posted on the forum doesn't it??
As for the quality of my images - I'm doing ok Jack! Thanks anyway! Considering that I'm only little over a year into photography and that I'm already "fooling" some of "your" disciples into giving me high scores then I can't really complain!
It provides me with great satisfaction when I receive a vote of 9 or 10 on an image that was obviously intended for you!!  Even Mr Hahn has done it!! The downside of course is that word soon gets out that my image isn't a Glynn image and it gets scored down accordingly by some of your other disciples. Hey Ho - such is life Glynn eh!
I've always admired and had the greatest of respect for the quality of both your images and those of Mr Hahn. I've also always scored them fairly and in accordance to the quality on offer here at DA.
In fact, you personally helped to influence me and give me the Macro bug. In fact, once upon a time I thought you were "the Bee's Knees!"
However, as I've explored and discovered the talents outwith DA I've come to the conclusion that you're "Not all that!" and indeed that you're very much a big fish in a small pond! Much the same as your side-kick Mr Hahn.
I mean have a look at this guys Macros:
Matt Cole
Note the Clarity and the lack of post processing, note the way the majority are frame filling and indeed how "close" he manages to get to the subject. You too, have very much to learn and a whole way to go before you reach the dizzy heights of such people!!
It makes me wonder how someone with the obvious quality of Matt Cole would be accepted into DA. He'd probably be chased away.... like so many others (look at Robert Monds!) - obviously way too much of a threat to the hierarchy that be!!
Your suggestion of a handicap whereby the top however many are barred from voting on each others images is either a case of sloppy thinking or an outright attempt to rig things in your favour. So an image of yours could be voted on by all the biggest weights, whereas mine would never see such votes. In your dreams.
I've no doubt whatsoever that both yourself and Mr Hahn "look after each other" - what I don't understand is that the system doesn't detect anything wrong with the constant high scores going on between you. I also don't understand how you both manage to get your high scores on each others images in so early within the voting process! It's almost as though you knew when to vote!!
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Collusion. How does that work? If I were ever to receive a message from another member suggesting such a thing - my firststep would be to send a copy of the Message to Admin, and then secondly I'd post it in the Forum. Of course there are always some who'll play along, usually those who can't get to where they want to be through sheer merit. Its a shame really.
You know fine well how it works Glynn! The remainder of the paragraph is gobbledygook and doesn't make sense to me - maybe some form of failed trap to discredit me?
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Isn't it time you outgrew these childish conspiracy theories - one minute believing that you can conspire your way to the top, the next minute suggesting that others have already done so. What a load of crap, especially from a former minion of the old crone. I'm afraid the only credibility you have left around here exists solely in your own mind. You're simply a bitter and spent force capable of nothing more than hurling bile and venom at those you once sought to emulate and then outrank - by cheating..
Control yourself dear Glynn! 
Sometimes, some people just can't cope with straight talking. Sometimes, some people get nervy and defensive when the heat is on! Sometimes, some people that lack self control will resort to personal attacks and propaganda in an attempt to dig themselves out of a hole.
Sometimes, you'll come across a person that's not so easily duped, fooled or maniplulated as the majority!
If you want the rainbow - you gotta put up with the rain.
A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel sooooo good!
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Posted 6/26/2008 10:29:52 PM
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Posted 6/26/2008 10:50:15 PM
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Makes perfect sense to me that Glenn and Richard give each other high scores. They both CONSISTENTLY produce outstanding images. Makes perfect sense that most of the rest of us also give them high scores for their images if we're the least bit accomplished in recognizing quality when we see it. If I give mostly 8's and ups to most of their shots, it's because they damn well deserve it and not because I'm anyone's little puppet. The most honorable person involved in the DF fiasco is no longer here - BECAUSE he was HONORABLE. And I really miss him and his photographs.
To suggest that Glenn and Richard deleted their shots because of any wrong-doing on their part really make me crazy. They both left for the same reason Robert M. left. Luckily for us, they came back. Let's hope Robert does as well. And I'd give just about anything to see Will Patrick come back.
Leighann
Leighann
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Posted 6/26/2008 10:53:59 PM
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