 Posted 3/14/2008 7:14:36 PM
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Edited by Zeke.
Thanks Linda - much appreciated!!
If you want the rainbow - you gotta put up with the rain.
A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel sooooo good! 
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Posted 3/14/2008 7:22:55 PM
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Okay, listen,
Since I have joined I have stuck by the RFC in a "gung ho" manner..
Just because there are a very few who this feature is not complimentary for, does not mean it is the norm..
Sometimes members really need a thicker skin, as a comment may not be offensive but rather,,just , straight up or blunt with no offense meant,,on either the giving or receiving end..
Sometimes, I would say even less so, there are others who just like to "get into it" with each other.
This is a valuable tool, one which should be respected and used appropriately rather than abused. Even is someone is not using it with respect, we still can respond appropriately instead of "following the bad example"
If this feature has been abused, there is always the option to report to admin. but remember, sometimes a person is allowed their own opinion regardless of whether it is what we want to hear or not.
I have to disagree with you Bubba, as far as the "imitate other's works" interpretation.
imitation is the greatest flattery, which is beside the point but still.
Trying to copy another work is practice. You take another image you admire and usually you can MAKE it Yours , right?!....When you study someone else's works and then take what you gain into the field, you are already making changes, your own creativity is sparked and what you end up with may very well be totally different than what you thought you were going to have. Even if you have the same subject with the circumstances, there is usually a significant difference in the result.
existing images are inspiration. The whole point was not to create a duplicate but use what you have observed, try and apply it, master it and then use it for your own.. ..
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Posted 3/14/2008 7:34:14 PM
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hahn23 (3/14/2008)
Sunnyside Sandy (3/14/2008)
hahn23 (3/14/2008)
I retract all comments on this issue. Hey, if you want some "constructive comments", be sure to ask SS, the anonymous voter and never comment responder, for help! Good luck and best wishes.
What's all that about Richard??
Are you saying that I can't offer constructive comments?
Are you saying that because I'm an anonymous voter that my opinion isn't worthy?
Are you saying - sorry - What are you saying regarding your "Never Comment Responder" comment - I really don't understand.
can't = won't
anonymous = malicious
RFC = never
constructive you? = no
I've almost worked this out - it took me so long because I'm not on your wavelength (I'm happy about that!) - I give feedback often and usually at the point of voting when my input isn't tainted by knowing who I'm giving the feedback to.
I'm also happy to give more indepth feedback. My input is always real and the way I see things. I try hard to keep it simple and never try to glorify myself when trying to help others. My feedback will be as valuable to some as the next person's - maybe no more so and maybe not less valuable neither.
The important thing is that it is genuinne and meant in good heart.
Of course, I've got it totally wrong at times but hey who hasn't?? At least I try! And at least the reason for my providing feedback is for the benefit of those posting their images rather than to put myself on a pedestal and tell them how wonderful I am!
If you want the rainbow - you gotta put up with the rain.
A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel sooooo good!
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Posted 3/14/2008 8:31:57 PM
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Tonka (3/14/2008)
Okay, listen,
I have to disagree with you Bubba, as far as the "imitate other's works" interpretation.
Nobody should ever Aim to be the Same Tonka! If we all did that and some of us even achieved it then we'd all mostly be mundane - it's not the way forward! Either individually or as a species!
Aspire to be different - learn the basics by all means but try hard to put your own slant on things!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIGHocLxpy0
If you want the rainbow - you gotta put up with the rain.
A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel sooooo good!
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Posted 3/15/2008 5:42:46 AM
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Me...of this world? Yup 
Ordinary? ummmm I would venture to guess...Not
Try and emulate or copy other's works? absolutely positively yes.
Who as a photographer is not copying someone's work in some way shape or form?
Afterall, I might not be wRight  here but, I do not think there is an OOF series of photos which everyone admires and is thought of as great works is there?
so we strive , all of us, to copy the works of others who achieve superb clarity, focus and light do we not?
If we did not observe and try and copy others works then we would not have a fraction of the "unique" images that we do..
Being individuals, is the reason that when we try and accomplish something we admire, we end up changing it so that it indeed becomes our own.
Artists are always trying to emulate or rework pieces they admire, but end up with a piece that is all their own. They try and copy technique, skill and attention to detail...the execution of such skill is necessary to have an end product which is worthy, in most cases, to even view by others.
, oh and I know what your point was, I just think that that is not how Richard meant it....even so, this is how I personally view this issue.
i do not think that any of my images are the "same" as anyone elses but I indeed strive sometimes to create the same effect with my own personal signature .
Take Bokeh for example...I am a huge fan for appreciating bokeh, I love it and how it can make an image look...I love to get good bokeh..lol..I try and copy other's bokeh all the time....(plus I get to mention Richard's 'BUCK AND BOKEH' again ..one of my faves...) I don't know if it is up anymore but Will had a good one too it was a self portrait specifically "Practicing bokeh" ....It was good bokeh too..lol...(there are many other examples. )
so I try and copy that image...only I use a magnolia bud as the subject with the tree/sky as my bokeh background.
That makes it all mine ..
Using ..long exposure for night shots is indeed copying someone elses work.
right? right. I know I am getting technical here
but just wanted to ramble this morning..
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Posted 3/15/2008 9:50:52 AM
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| OK, I'd like to mention something that I haven't read anywhere on this topic yet. Regarding the scoring. We do have a scale of 1-10, however, the photographers that are interested in competing with their images are not all the photographers in the world. I would have to guess that a contest draws the better photographers. If someone were to enter their snapshots of a child's birthday party I would think that these images compared to all the other images in the contest would be pretty bad. Hence, receiving scores of 5 or lower. This is not a contest for snapshots. It's for well thought out, planned and carefully executed images with a fair amount of post processing. These planned images are worthy of scores of 6 and above. If someone entered an image with a finger covering part of the subject, it deserves to get a score of 1, but who in their right mind would enter an image like that in a competition? Even the worst photographer in the world wouldn't want anyone to see that. The more the newbies view the incredible work of the best photographers the more they can improve their own. The best photographers on the site create images that are indeed worthy of 10's and why shouldn't they get those scores? Leaving comments about your votes is the way that people learn what other's think. This is how we learn. Without any comments one way or another the learning is difficult. So, I say if you have strong feelings about any image and can express your thoughts with a quick comment it should be appreciated. (although many times it's not) People do need to develop thick skins if they want to learn. If you're giving scores of 5 and 6 do you know why? Can you express it in words?
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Posted 3/15/2008 9:59:42 AM
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This is not a contest for snapshots. . . Very good point, Freeflower. Glad you mentioned it. This, in addition to the fact that many of the lower averaging images get booted out early are reasons why the whole scale never gets used by many, especially less active, voters.
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Posted 3/15/2008 11:16:29 AM
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