InstantForum.NET v4.1.4DA Photo Contest Forumhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/info@dailyawards.comSat, 11 Oct 2008 18:30:10 GMT20http://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspx[quote][b]kendp (1/4/2007)[/b][hr]Eric, I tried to PM you to request the extra month be added to my subscription, but got a notice saying "the recipient has already exceeded the quota for private messages."[/quote]<br>Sorry about that. I have cleaned up the messages now.Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:06:05 GMTAdminhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxEric, I tried to PM you to request the extra month be added to my subscription, but got a notice saying "the recipient has already exceeded the quota for private messages."Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:25:23 GMTkendphttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspx[quote][b]Admin (1/4/2007)[/b][hr]The data is only valuable if you intend to use it. ...[/quote]<P>I expect that Google will use the info. And it is through your website that they are able to collect it. You ought to be getting something in return from them. Just my opinion.</P><P>It is a good thing that there is finally some competition for PayPal. Thu, 04 Jan 2007 08:54:53 GMTWillPathttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxFor anyone interested...<br><br>[url=https://checkout.google.com/files/privacy.html]Google Checkout Privacy policy[/url]<br><br>[url=http://www.google.com/privacy_faq.html]Google Privacy Center FAQ page[/url]<br><br>[url=http://www.google.com/privacy.html]Google Privacy Policy Highlights page[/url]<br><br>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 07:55:21 GMTNiKiMoTohttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspx[quote][b]WillPat (1/3/2007)[/b][hr]<br><br>Eric, if you are allowing google to gather all of our personal info and not getting anything in return from them, I would say thatgoogle is taking advantage of you. That info is valuable.[/quote]<br><br>The data is only valuable if you intend to use it. In my opinion, storing personal data is a liability that I do not wish to take on. Google Checkout is a good service for consumers and merchants. This service allows the consumer to store his or her personal data in a single place and purchase from multiple stores. Imagine if the only company who needed your cc# was your bank and in turn they would take care of paying anyone you wanted.<br><br>Nevertheless, I understand if you do not trust the service, it is good feedback for me to see how many users share this view. Anyone who wishes to have the free month and bypass the checkout process can PM your CID to me, as mentioned earlier.Thu, 04 Jan 2007 07:28:07 GMTAdminhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxHey Eric - Thanx and Happy B-day to DA!!! I'm a poet and I know'it!!!:P<P>Jax:cool:Thu, 04 Jan 2007 05:56:52 GMTWacky Jackyhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspx[quote][b]kendp (1/2/2007)[/b][hr]I am sure that Google pays something to Eric for each person that goes through the checkout. If that is one way that Eric is getting money to help support this website, then say so. Probably I would have cooperated. But I am going to turn my back on the free month as long as the terms and conditions for getting it are different than what I was led to believe. I may be the only one who does so, but I have a strong sense of ethics and feel something is amiss in this instance.[/quote] <P>You are not alone kendp. I am not yet a subscriber, and I was going to take advantage of the free month to see what it's like to be one. But after reading this thread I've changed my mind. I feel that the "no strings attached" was a little bit misleading, but Eric has explained his logic for the checkout requirement. What bothers me more is the idea of giving up all my personal info to google and not knowing the consequences of that. I don't think google would leave it vulnerable to hackers or thieves, not worried about that. But google checkout is relatively new and we don't have any idea how our personal info will be used. I like google, use it often. But remember that they are the ones that read your e-mails if you have a g-mail account to troll for info that they can use and sell for targeting advertising. And they are the ones who resisted the inquiries from the federal government because they wanted to keep their inner workings secret. I would like to let google checkout develop a track record before I trust them. I'd also like to see the site offer an alternative to using credit cards online to pay for subscriptions. More ways to pay would probably mean more paying subscribers. </P><P>Eric, if you are allowing google to gather all of our personal info and not getting anything in return from them, I would say that google is taking advantage of you. That info is valuable. Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:26:55 GMTWillPathttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxEric, I don't doubt that the offer was well meant. And I appreciate the offer. I agree there needs to be a system so you will know how many take you up on your offer. I also agree that those who want to apply this coupon toward a paid membership need to process it through PayPal or a credit card. <br><br>Had a rebate been offered, I would probably have gone through the check out process and claimed my rebate.<br><br>I like things to be clear up front. This wasn't, I found out when I went to claim by free month, and that is what I am objecting to.<br><br>Had you asked whether we want to claim the free month, or whether we want to have a rebate on a new membership or an extension of an existing membership and directed those wanted to sign up or extend to the Google Check Out, I would have had no question about the process. You would know the names and the number of person who just wanted the month by their response to the question. And you would have the response to the question and subsequent check out info to give you the desired count of the members who elected that option.<br><br>It is not too late to make the change. I hope you will consider it.Wed, 03 Jan 2007 09:29:54 GMTkendphttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspx"Refunding the $3.50. The extra month will remain in your account. -Eric"<br><br>Thanks Eric. That was quick!Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:02:54 GMTNiKiMoTohttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspx[quote][b]kendp (1/3/2007)[/b][hr]Eric, I agree that it makes sense to do it that way for those who want to subscribe or who want to extend their subscription for more than the one month.<br><br>But it is not necessary to go through a check out for those of us who just want the one month. This includes subscribers, like myself, who want to add the 1 month to our subscription, or non-subscribers who will test the benefits of being a subscriber and then decide whether to subscribe. It is not necessary for these members to go through check out.<br><br>oiboy, this is not a rebate. Nor is it, as was indicated in the message from Eric, a gift with no strings attached.<br><br>ScottySue, it is not that I am reading too much into it, but that I apparently didn't read enough into Eric's message. When I read his message I thought he said he was giving us a gift with no strings attached and that by clicking on the link on the home page we could claim our gift.[/quote]<br>If you PM your CID # to me, I will add an extra month to your account manually.<br><br>Aside from the reasoning mentioned previously, the only ulterior motive I have with the coupon is to gain some insight into how many are redeemed. If very few are used, it tells me that either people do not like the new payment system or they do not read / get email from the site.<br><br>There is no incentive from Google for processing these $0 transactions through their systems. I do understand your point as I have dealt with many questionable companies in the past (as we all have). If I wanted to run a slimy business however, I would set the subscriptions to auto-renew, send regular promotional emails full of ads, trade contact information with 'advertising partners’, etc.<br><br>My intentions with this coupon are truly well meant. I tried to be as flexible as I could with this by allowing all members (even if you have already purchased a subscription) take advantage of this and allow you to use it for any purchase on the site, including image uploads.Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:55:00 GMTAdminhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxNIKI!!!!!:D</P><P>HEY YA! HOW'S IT GOIN????? ((((((niki)))))))</P><P>Eric it worked fine for me..I already had a google account so it was smooth but they are shipping my DA free month to my address today:w00t: :P lol, wonder how big the package will be ???;)</P><P>Thanks for the present Eric:DWed, 03 Jan 2007 06:34:19 GMTTonkahttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspx[quote]When you apply the coupon, the balance should show: $0.00. If it still shows $3.50 it did not apply correctly. If this happens to anyone, just let me know and I can cancel the transaction.<br><br>Eric[/quote]<br><br>When I tried to click "Apply" (the coupon) the<br>Apply button would not work so I proceeded on with the transaction in the hope that it processed correctly. If you see a $3.50 transaction from<br>John Moses that is me (my middle name is Nicholas) and it did not work correctly for whatever reason.Wed, 03 Jan 2007 05:56:07 GMTNiKiMoTohttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxEric, I agree that it makes sense to do it that way for those who want to subscribe or who want to extend their subscription for more than the one month.<br><br>But it is not necessary to go through a check out for those of us who just want the one month. This includes subscribers, like myself, who want to add the 1 month to our subscription, or non-subscribers who will test the benefits of being a subscriber and then decide whether to subscribe. It is not necessary for these members to go through check out.<br><br>oiboy, this is not a rebate. Nor is it, as was indicated in the message from Eric, a gift with no strings attached.<br><br>ScottySue, it is not that I am reading too much into it, but that I apparently didn't read enough into Eric's message. When I read his message I thought he said he was giving us a gift with no strings attached and that by clicking on the link on the home page we could claim our gift.Wed, 03 Jan 2007 05:35:44 GMTkendphttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxKen...<br>I totally get what you are saying and that is your perogative (sp?) but I think you are reading too much into it. Like O said...just think of it as a rebate! :) And if Eric does get a little somethin' somethin' on the side (which probably is miniscule)...it helps keep this fantastic website affloat! :)<br><br>It's all good!!! :DTue, 02 Jan 2007 21:42:58 GMTScottyZooziehttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxThe other main reason I did this in the form of a coupon is to allow anyone to use it with any subscription type. So, if a person would prefer to buy an annual and take 3.50 off, they can do so.Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:35:23 GMTAdminhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxKen,<P>This is a normal procedure how Eric did this. See it like a "free after rebate". When you buy something somewhere with a coupon and it becomes free, you still have to go through the complete checkout procedure. I also believe that Goggle Checkout is save.</P><P>Eric, Thank you for the free month of subscription.Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:50:37 GMToboyhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxScottySue, the issue I am addressing is not whether it should be PayPal or Google, the issue is why should I have to enter my credit card info anywhere in order to claim the free month I was offered "no strings attached"?<br><br>I can understand why Eric hopes that offering this free month will stimulate an increase in paid members, and those who elect to add to this free month, or who, at the end of the free month, choose to be paid members, then, of course, they should go through one check out process or another.<br><br>But I am already a paid membe with about 10 months remaining on my subscription and I just want to add a month to that subscription. If Eric really wanted to say thanks to me for participating by giving me an additional month, he could have easily done that without requiring me to go through Google Check Out.<br><br>I am sure that Google pays something to Eric for each person that goes through the checkout. If that is one way that Eric is getting money to help support this website, then say so. Probably I would have cooperated. But I am going to turn my back on the free month as long as the terms and conditions for getting it are different than what I was led to believe. I may be the only one who does so, but I have a strong sense of ethics and feel something is amiss in this instance.Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:54:10 GMTkendphttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxIf you put your card info in it doesn't charge it - when you go to the next screen and put in the promotional code it goes to zero.<br><br>If you are familiar with it and have a gmail account i assume it stores the info (this was my first time using it and it was super easy and friendly as i already had a gmail account). It is a secure server and no different from putting account info into amazon or buy.com, or any other place you purchase things from regularly.<br><br>Anyway...it is a free month and a lovely gesture. I don't believe Eric had any other motive as he is using google instead of paypal. So, enjoy your free month!!!! :) We would have had to put our account info into paypal too...what's the difference????<br><br>THANK YOU ERIC!!! I appreciate it... :D:D:DTue, 02 Jan 2007 17:39:59 GMTScottyZooziehttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxEric, I am familiar with the Google Check Out System and when purchasing something, have no objection to using it. But in this case I am not purchasing anything, only attempting to add the extra month to my subscription that you were kind enough to offer.<br><br>Quoting from your message: <br>"As a way to say thank you for being a part of the site, every user can pick up a coupon for a free one-month subscription! Just visit the homepage and click on the birthday link at the top of the page! There are no strings attached. Just make sure you add your subscription before the end of the birthday celebration (1/31/07).<br><br>"I hope everyone takes advantage of this and has an opportunity to try out the advanced features at no charge. If you currently have a subscription, pickup the extra month and add it on to your current term, or use the coupon for adding image uploads."<br><br>With that in mind, I went to the website and clicked on the link, only to find that even though I only want to add 1 the 1 free month to my subscription that I must enter all my credit crd information. In otherwords, despite what is said in your message, there is a string attached to the offer.<br><br>This is made even clearer in your response to my first post when you informed us that you were requiring us to check out with Google in order to introduce this to us.<br><br>So what is the reason for offering the 1 one month? Is it to say thanks, as you said in your message, or is it to get us involved with the Google Check Out System? It seems that it is the latter.<br><br>Why was this not made clear in your message to the members? Why sneak it in through the back door?<br><br>I don't often look a a gift horse in the mouth, but this is has become an offer I can, and am, refuse. I'm sorry, Eric, because I admire what you have done and are doing with this website, but I feel that I have been misled.<br>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:05:42 GMTkendphttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxThe only way the site processes subscriptions is through the Google Checkout service. This is integrated with DA so that when a new subscription is paid for, it will show instantly.<br><br>I would like for everyone to become familiar with the Google Checkout system, therefore I require you to process your transaction through them.<br><br>Google Checkout is a good service for consumers. It has many privacy and security features built in. In my opinion, there is much less risk in using their system than giving your card to a waiter at a restaurant.<br><br>For anyone who has used this service, perhaps you can comment on the positives and negatives you find.Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:47:26 GMTAdminhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxEric, I appreciate the offer to add 1 month to my subscription, but I object to have to enter my credit card information to do it. If this offer is really to say thanks to the members who are helping make the website a success, as you indicated in your letter, and not a means of promoting the google credit card (which I know they are working hard to do), there should be some way that those of us who are already subscribers can get our gift from you without having to enter all our personal information.Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:39:42 GMTkendphttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxEric, Thank you! You are doing an awesome job with DailyAwards.com! :)Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:14:56 GMToboyhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxWhen you apply the coupon, the balance should show: $0.00. If it still shows $3.50 it did not apply correctly. If this happens to anyone, just let me know and I can cancel the transaction.Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:58:21 GMTAdminhttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxI have redeemed my coupon!! Thanks Eric!!!! :) It totally worked! :)Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:05:50 GMTScottyZooziehttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxCongrats on the 1 yr. anniversary and thanks<br>for the coupon Eric. I tried to use it. Think it worked but not sure...until I see my next credit card bill. :)<br><br>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:03:44 GMTNiKiMoTohttp://www.dailyawards.com/DAForum/Topic2995-4-1.aspxDailyAwards.com will be one year old on January 25, 2007. Thank you for helping to make this site a success! The past year has come with a lot of change that has resulted in a solid foundation for the future.<br><br>As a way to say thank you for being a part of the site, every user can pick up a coupon for a free one-month subscription! Just visit the homepage and click on the birthday link at the top of the page! There are no strings attached. Just make sure you add your subscription before the end of the birthday celebration (1/31/07).<br><br>I hope everyone takes advantage of this and has an opportunity to try out the advanced features at no charge. If you currently have a subscription, pickup the extra month and add it on to your current term, or use the coupon for adding image uploads.<br><br>Again, thank you for being a part of DailyAwards.com in 2006. I hope you continue to enjoy the site throughout 2007.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>Eric Elsten<br>DailyAwards.comTue, 02 Jan 2007 08:39:20 GMTAdmin