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RE: Voting on the same image?

hahn23 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:27:00 GMT

[color="navy"]Jim, I don't think anyone thought you were banned. You would know, if you were. photoart is the only one who is blocked from voting on certain friends/foes, that I know of. This is a very uncommon occurrence.

I'm certain you are not blocked from voting.

Keep using the forums.

Richar[/color]d

RE: Voting on the same image?

Tonka — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:08:04 GMT

Jim,

I dunno, what I got from this post is that a ban MIGHT be a possible explanation for the same images appearing in your voting window..Not that you are necessarily banned. :)

There are other possibilities as well..

Please continue to use the forum to communicate and ask questions..

Sometimes threads stray or messages get misconstrued...we have to remember we are not communicating in person so sometimes the point is not clear, changed or lost..

RE: Voting on the same image?

JRD50 — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:51:22 GMT

Hi Everyone this is Jim the guy who started this Ask Question Post.I am not real happy at the moment because I found that some body must be saying that I am banned from voting.I have had emails from replies on my comments on members photo that I viewed earlier.It said they were glad to see I was not banned from voting.To me the only way a comment like that would come is if it is going around that I am banned.Right now I do not care who is doing just stop it.It is not true.And if you have proof that I do not know about let me see that. IN MY OPINION THAT IS VERY IMMATURE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. My opinion about DA has not changed from the email that started this discussion.After this though I am going to think twice about using the forum as a loop in communication with other members.Well any way every body have a great day.I know I will. Till next time? Jim JRD50

RE: Voting on the same image?

hahn23 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:49:52 GMT

[quote][b]photoart (3/12/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]hahn23 (3/12/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]photoart (3/12/2008)[/b][hr]Wemor,
FYI, voters are not notified whenever a block is put in place. And 6 weeks would be plenty of time for a member to get banned, in fact 6 days is more than enough.
Deborah[/quote]
[color="navy"]How do you know you have been banned for collusion voting, then? From how many friend/foe collusions have you been banned? Why should the friend/foe collusion block not be permanent[/color]?[/quote]

Richard,
You can tell when your votes do not register and recently, Admin has put up a statement that shows immediately after the vote which says "you are not permitted to vote on the last person's images. I don't know how many blocks that I have. I can see the images in which I am not allowed to vote, but with no idea who these images belong to, there is no way of counting blocks. As far as I know the blocks are permanent. I have heard nothing otherwise.
Deborah[/quote]
Thanks for the info, Deborah! I've not had this experience, so it's news to me. Good luck in the future. (I've noticed your votes still appear on my images and I still get to vote on your images. So, at least you have not been identified as a friend/foe of mine.) This message has been submitted with a light heart and hope for a sense of humor.

[img]http://www.cartoonarts.co.uk/prints/13.jpg[/img]

RE: Voting on the same image?

hahn23 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:24:46 GMT

[quote][b]photoart (3/12/2008)[/b][hr]Wemor,
FYI, voters are not notified whenever a block is put in place. And 6 weeks would be plenty of time for a member to get banned, in fact 6 days is more than enough.
Deborah[/quote]
[color="navy"]How do you know you have been banned for collusion voting, then? From how many friend/foe collusions have you been banned? Why should the friend/foe collusion block not be permanent[/color]?

RE: Voting on the same image?

wemor — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:42:52 GMT

[quote][b]photoart (3/12/2008)[/b][hr]I'm sorry James that you are having your thread highjacked. I still think that my guess, as to why you are seeing the same image over and over, is the most likely situation. Many of us are experiencing this situation.[/quote]

[quote][b]photoart (3/10/2008)[/b][hr]James,
My guess is that you have been banned from voting on that persons images. If you have been banned, you will have to vote on the same image over and over again until the person archives the image. Most likely, you will have to vote on it at least 8 times in every voting session. (and that will be 8 times on every image that that person has in the pool). The way that you can tell if this is the case, look at the little window in the upper right hand corner and see if the image appears after you vote on it. If it is not there, then you are banned. Also, another way to tell is to look up at the very top of the window immediately after you vote on the image and there will be a line which says, "you are not permitted to vote on this person's images". I have asked for a change to be made where these images do not appear over and over again, but as always, I have been ignored. If this happens to be the case, you will just have to learn to live with it. Check this out and see if this is the problem.

Deborah[/quote]

As James has been a member for a little less than six weeks I highly doubt that he is experiencing any FRIEND/FOE voting block on images. I could be wrong, but I find it highly unlikely. I would also suspect that should any FRIEND/FOE voting block be put in place the effected voters would be notified of such actions.

RE: Voting on the same image?

JRD50 — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:38:14 GMT

Hi Photoart,Thats fine with me I am not the debating type any way.But just to respond to your thought as to why. I have been watching for that.And not seeing anything like that at all.A few other people have E mail me said that they notice that at times to.One of them said it was someone submitting in multiple categories and one case was a person pulling out and back in trying to control the ratings.And that does make sense to me.Seems like a lot trouble for a contest that does not have a prize attached to it.Well to each his own.But thanks for taking time to get
back to me and the forums all yours.HA HA just kidding .Till next time Jim JRD50

RE: Voting on the same image?

wemor — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:36:11 GMT

Yes, I have seen a few of the same images in multiple categories.

As well, some members will do what I call "VOTE HUNTING". A favored image gets a couple of lower votes early in the cycle so they quickly delete then resubmit the shot again hopping for a more favorable mix of voters the second time.

I remember one session recently where the same image appeared three times during my voting. My guess was the photographer kept reentering the image to avoid starting off with a higher weight six vote. I certainly don't know that for sure, but with votes coming so much quicker now, one could roll the dice with an image many times just waiting for a favorable mix of votes. This is another good reason why we need to start thinking about raising the minimum raw vote qualification values.

RE: Voting on the same image?

Sherry — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:53:31 GMT

I think some members have the same image uploaded in several categories. I've come across the same image (not a re-submit) a few times. I'll have to make a note of this the next time it occurs. :)

RE: Voting on the same image?

JRD50 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:03:15 GMT

I am beginning to wish I had not ask the question in the first place.I was not questioning some body adding an extra comment of congrats.I have gotten some of those my self.I was just trying to come up with some sort of example of my original question. Because the answers I received seemed like may be I did not present my question clearly enough. Well for me I think I will stay away from the forum it was not my intention to start a debate about a point just wanted my question answered with out sending multiple emails. As I said before Thank you all for helping.JRD50

RE: Voting on the same image?

hahn23 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:56:03 GMT

[color="navy"]Because it only takes 15 votes for an image to win a category or a daily award, an image can appear on the front page for all to see. Frequently, I will offer congratulations via public comments. If the image is not archived right away (and good images should stay in the voting pool for a long time), it's very likely that a known image will appear in lots of voting windows and receive more comments at voting time.

I don't see a problem with this. Do you? Knowing the author does not change my vote on an image. I vote on the image irrespective of who made it.

Also, many of us have recognizable styles & subjects. It's almost like a fingerprint. I don't know of a way to conceal my style. It's very common for me to receive the comment, "This is not one of your better images." LOL!![/color]!

RE: Voting on the same image?

JRD50 — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:42:16 GMT

Hi Every one Who Responded to my question.The answer was no you should not get the same photo to judge.FYI One day a week ago I was looking at some Portfolios and did come across some that had the same person put comments in more then one time.And by the way they commented was as if they were viewing the image for the first time .Like I said no big deal.I will watch more closely and maybe find some examples to bring up.Thanks to every one for giving me the answer.Till next Time JRD50

RE: Voting on the same image?

Wacky Jacky — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:13:28 GMT

[quote][b]wilrobking (3/10/2008)[/b][hr]James,

first of all I want to thank you for all the comments that you make on the images you vote on. We should all be that gracious with our time here at DA. [/quote]

Hear hear!!! Thank you from me as well. As for repeating images, in the past I used to double check by visiting the photographer's portfolio, and, believe it or not, only came across one set of images that were completely identical. I commented about this on one of the images, (in a friendly way), and received a reply from the photographer that he agrees and that he will contact Eric about this. Also in a friendly manner. I believe there might be more in the pool, but I'm never 100% sure, so I do not comment on it.

I still feel that people should specify when they do a reload. Especially fly's and heron's :P, goodness gracious :P Chris, do you have a voice left after speaking to all those animals and insects? :hehe: What do you talk about?....jk.;)

RE: Voting on the same image?

hahn23 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:29:58 GMT

[color="navy"]James,

My images are always a work-in-progress with many flaws and much needed room for improvement. When I receive helpful constructive criticism, in terms of votes and comments, I will re-work images to incorporate the suggestions and recommendations. It is not uncommon for me to delete an old, weak version of an image and submit an improved version. If you are voting a lot every day, which I think you are (thanks, btw), you may see a few of my images come up in an improved iteration.

Maybe others are in the same operating mode. I think photographers can and should try for the best presentation. That said, two identical images uploaded and active at the same time is not a good idea and should be discouraged[/color].

Voting on the same image?

JRD50 — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:04:15 GMT

Hi Fellow Members, This is Jim JRD50 I have been a member a little over a Month now and by the way this site has been so welcoming to me a newbie in the Photography world and you have something here that is not so easy to find in the times we live.I just hope a few do not ruin something that has become enjoyable to me and I know many others that have encouraged and help me become so much a better photographer in such a short period of time.Sorry I tend to ramble on some times.My original question was. I thought I might be wrong, that we are only going to vote/judge an image one time.And I mean the exact same one not resubmitted.I seem to be getting some images over and over again. I do not mind. But I can see a problem with that is if I should happen to see it again and maybe see something in it I may not have noticed the first time and the ratings are not the same.I do not want to have explain why.Any one who has had me look at their work knows I put comments on every one I judge.Well thats it. Once again THANK YOU FOR AN ENJOYMENT I LOOK FORWARD TO DAILY!!! Jim JRD50