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RE: Archiving

Glynn — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:33:34 GMT

I understand now - thanks We.

RE: Archiving

wemor — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:44:48 GMT

[quote][b]Glynn (12/14/2007)[/b][hr] However if I click on my name in the Top Photographers it shows me as having many many active images - what gives?[/quote]

I see what you are talking about now. From the Top Photographers List your link takes you to YOUR PROFILE page. Everyone's profile page has two list.

The first list are of images that have EARNED AWARDS. This list displays both any ARCHIVED IMAGE and any ACTIVE IMAGE that has an AWARD. This combination of both Archived and Active images in the same list may be leading you to think that only active image are displayed.

The second list on that PROFILE page is headed as ARCHIVED IMAGES and shows ALL archived images for a user regardless of their award status. A user with a number of Awards and a number of Archived images will have a lot of duplication in the two lists displayed on this page.

For efficiency, I feel it would be better to eliminate the duplication between the list and show one list of images with AWARDS and another list of archived images WITHOUT AWARDS. This would cover both bases and to me, would make the two list more meaningful. It would avoid the confusion of having two very similar listings on the same page. WE

RE: Archiving

wemor — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:31:19 GMT

The two-vote deal happened when Eric opened up more images to vote on (those with votes over 90 days) as a 1 time event during the startup of DAv3. This was to give some voting opportunities to many that had voted the entire pool.

Here is the link for that notification: One Time Policy Violation

I have never see any indication that an archived image has received any votes. My understanding is that this is not a possibility, though anything is possible. One change that has been made is that archived images are now holding their voting record for 30 days after being arcihved. Previously, the individual voting record was deleted at the point of archive. Now that data is kept for 30 additional days with each archived image.

RE: Archiving

wemor — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:05:46 GMT

I don't think that there is a way to display jsut the active images, only images with awards or archived images. Use a copy of my data if you like as an example Glynn and let's see what you are are seeing. WE

RE: Archiving

NiKiMoTo — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:48:39 GMT

Hmm...I couldn't find anything relating to the number of active images that
anyone has via the Top Photographers route. :ermm:

RE: Archiving

Glynn — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:33:43 GMT

I recently archived everything to leave just one active image. When I look in My Account that is just what I see - 1 active, the rest archived. However if I click on my name in the Top Photographers it shows me as having many many active images - what gives?

Active Images (1)

Archive	Delete	Image Title	Awards
		Snail & Pear

Archived Images (58)

Delete	Image Title	Awards
	Playing with Light	Cert
	Lion Fish	Cert
	Remnant of Empire	Cert
	Fly	Cert
	Mersey View	Cert
	Night Glow	Cert
	Dragonfly on Teazel	Cert
	Hoverfly	Cert
	Painted Lady (Vanessa cardui)	Cert
	Yet another fly	Cert
	Fly and rain.	Cert
	Lord of the Flies	Cert
	Treble Clef	Cert
	Below the Bridges	Cert
	Gotcha!!	Cert
	Common Blue ]]	Cert
	JEDI WASP	Cert
	Cricket	Cert
	Buff Tip moth caterpillar	Cert
	Twilight Dragonfly	Cert
	Wet Bee	Cert
	Just another night	Cert
	16	Cert
	The Banded Snail (Cepaea hortensis)	Cert
	English Ladybird	Cert
	A Cat walked by.	Cert
	Out on a limb.	Cert
	Naturally Colourful	Cert
	Life on the Edge	Cert
	Torrential	Cert
	Untying the Knot (2)	Cert
	Eagle Owl	Cert
	Iridescent	Cert
	The Light of the Silvery Moon	Cert
	Hoverfly (2)	Cert
	OOPS!	Cert
	Balanced	Cert
	Tangerine Dreams	Cert
	Happy Chappie.	Cert
	Fly on Bacon Fat.	Cert
	Dragon Chaser	Cert
	Butterfly & Ladybird	Cert
	Common Blue - 2	Cert
	Rhapsody in Blue	Cert
	A visit to the shops.	Cert
	Close up	Cert
	Soaking up the Sun.	Cert
	Fly	Cert
	Head to Head	Cert
	River Crossing	Cert
	Bridge after Rain.	Cert
	Railway Viaduct by Moonlight	Cert
	Infidel	Cert
	Juggernaut	Cert
	Was it something I said?	Cert
	FLY	Cert
	His first day out.	Cert
	Snail World	Cert

RE: Archiving

wemor — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:55:51 GMT

[quote][b]glottz (12/14/2007)[/b][hr]How does archiving occur ? Does the system do it, or the photographers themselves ?[/quote]

Both. I feel the best option is to do it yourself. Then, you as the photographer are in control and unnecessary votes are not accumulated on images that are NOT competitive for the advanced awards.

Various awards require a certain number of qualifying (RAW) votes in order to be eligible for a win. Category and Daily Awards require 15 raw votes, Weekly require 30, Monthly 60 and Annual 80. Both types of awards (standard and signature) require the same number of RAW votes. Generally, signature votes come at a little slower rate than regular votes so if you just monitor SIGNATURE VOTES you will be covered for both types of awards.

The theory on archiving is to get a fair mix of votes (opinions) on an images then based on that rating achieved archive it or allow it to continue to collect additional votes.

If an image is rating highly after 15 Raw Signature votes, it is likely to be competitive for additional awards (Weekly, Monthly, Annual) and should continue to collect votes to qualify for those award levels.

If an image is not rated highly (you could almost rule-of-thumb say anything below an 8 - though that is a personal choice) then it is unlikely to be competitive for the more advanced awards and everyone would be better served if the image was archived.

Archiving locks in the current rating and removes the image from the voting pool. The image continues in any competition in which it is RAW vote qualified but it no longer counts as an occupied voting slot for the photographer allowing them to add another entry.

The system also checks image's ratings and AUTO ARCHIVES many images that rate as noncompetitive beyond their current raw vote level. Example: An image is rated at 6.5xx after 15 signature votes. It is very unlikely to earn any award beyond those requiring 15 raw votes so the site Auto Archives the image to make room for another entry in the voting pool.

The site's Auto Archive is pretty generous in allowing images to proceed into the next level of voting. I think everyone would receive votes a a greater pace if we all more actively managed our contest entries through the Archive Function. WE

RE: Archiving

aurock — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:42:58 GMT

[quote][b]glottz (12/14/2007)[/b][hr]How does archiving occur ? Does the system do it, or the photographers themselves ?[/quote]

It can be done both ways. This is from the "About" section under Help - Documents:

Collect more votes

The vote system has an automatic archive feature built in to keep the images in the pool competitive. Archived images function exactly like regular images except they may not collect any further votes. You may choose to archive an image at any time. Additionally, the system will monitor your images and if they fall more than two standard deviations below the average for any particular award they are eligible for, they will be automatically archived. This keeps the images in the voting pool lean and enables you to receive more votes.

Please see this PDF

RE: Archiving

wemor — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:52:32 GMT

You [u]cannot[/u] vote on any archived images. Once archived, an image is removed from any voting selection. The image retains its ratings at the time of the archive action and remains in competition for any awards it has qualified for until the submitting photographer deletes the photo from their portfolio. WE

RE: Archiving

aurock — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:50:33 GMT

[quote][b]glottz (12/11/2007)[/b][hr]How does one vote on archived photos if they are no longer in the "pool" ?[/quote]

Archived images aren't voted on. You can only vote on active images. Once an image is archived, it doesn't collect any more votes.

RE: Archiving

Sunnyside Sandy — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:23:47 GMT

Hi

You can't take it out of Archive and put it back in the voting pool. Probably be best to alter the "original" image slightly and re-upload it as a new entry.

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Archiving

4areason727@wildblue.net — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:14:46 GMT

I was just wondering if there was anyway that a photo from archive can be used again for voting? If so, how do you do it?