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RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

Zeke Smith — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:43:57 GMT

Wow. Talk about off topic. If I'd been around this weekend and see this develop I would've closed this early on. I'm now closing this thread because the majority of posts have nothing to do with the original post.

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

Tonka — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:14:55 GMT

Let us not forget what motivates individuals...

One may have a rule for or against rfc's and votes but I always think that for those of you who rule against rfc's you very well forget that those requesting may think differently .because one person take something one way does not mean that is how the other person meant it..

Some of us have a desire and passion to throw every ounce of ourselves into learning...and for some of us,,those votes are very very important as well as the RFC...they were given to us as tools to use and just because we try and take advantage of that for our learning's sake does not mean we are complainers about votes and comments,,a point which I feel continuously gets looked over,,it is a matter of personality...Another situation is that Newbies take time to understand the long run and only time and experience will shed some light..A bit of patience , and teaching usually warrants for learning .

I respect other's feelings about such things and to reiterate myself again,,,a little more repsect the other way should be in order...then we must each be willing to accept the others feelings and go on about our mission perhaps without resolve.

Yes there are those here who have seen much water go under the bridge but those too must understand that those who have not are not in the same disposition which may only come about with time.

I truly feel that for those who do not practice with ethics, well what goes around comes around and that this is something I personally do not have control over nor want control over.

It was suggested to contact a photog directly for advice and opinion..well that is what the RFC is for,,If you want to improve your skills and you see you get 6's from the same voter over and over again, sometimes we want to go after that voter and impress them by improving our skills..so we rfc so that we can someday "impress" that voter...as that will have lended us to attaining a personal goal..not hound or ask for justification..

I myself have averaged higher scores from many here but there have always been those who habitually give me 6's still..it is those voters who I know I must improve for as then, I will have truly reached a milestone...and so when a request is ignored , I cannot help but feel displaced...Geesh I am honest and have integrity and only want to learn,,why will you not help me ..you are able to keep giving a 6 or less but not advice or opinion..Forgive me truly for expecting that you would help..I was caught up in my quest for knowledge ,,not beratement or accusation..I say this with humility and in hopes that you will truly understand how some feel towards these issues...

yes we must accept everyone's opinions and for the most part do..Yes their are flaws and yes we are all people who must work to get along,,it is give and take..

But enough from the Tonka diaries.:)

Just my way of thinkin on it.

edited I had to switch "comes" with "goes" ;)

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

Petmagnet — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:08:44 GMT

Geez..Do we really have to read through all this mess over and over? Everyone is never always liked. Personalities clash. But I find it strange that even if one is silent and tries not to stand out, folks can't let things go. There always has to be an 'issue' sooner or later.

Does one or two people, whether by their voting pattern, RFC choices, etc., really make such a difference to a site with so many? If one chooses not to comment, why is that such a terrible thing. If one knows of those who enjoy commenting, why can't they be happy with those comments. To want folks to be 'responsible' for all RFC's, in my opinion is not rational. Especially when one does not even respect the opinion of the person for whom they are requesting the RFC so much of the time. And if one does not respect the opinion of a specific person or persons then why do they care how they even vote when it will all even itself by a multitude of votes over time?

I no longer ask for, or worry about the votes or RFC's on my images. For I have found that many are earnest in their thoughts, but MANY..not one or two..are not. I don't have the time or inclination to try to rationalize why folks are the way they are, but to just accept the fact that they are.

I am happiest with comments left by ones own choice rather than by RFC. For that in my opinion, leaves the gate open, (if one chooses to ask for critiques from that poster), for further dialogue in the future.

Again, vote as you see fit, comment if you feel comfortable to do so and try to refrain from all bias if at all possible. And for the true betterment of this site, try not to find so much wrong every single day..but instead find the good and post it in these threads.

Wouldn't this site be something above the rest, if these few things could be done by all members? Of course..Wishes are just that, I suppose.

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

wemor — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:44:36 GMT

[quote][b]eninja2k (6/9/2007)[/b][hr]There are a HANDFUL of people who notice THESE PARTICULAR people vote the same vote a lot and THOSE people say THOSE votes are BELOW average.[/quote]

Could not someone voting on a lower scale also be interpreted as possessing higher (photographic) standards or holding a greater expectation for excellence? I know I use a majority of sixes because I want my higher votes to have more impact and show greater recognition for the better posts I see.

[quote]Doesn't matter what you think.[/quote]

Maybe not to you... It does to me!

[quote] Fact, is many people and that included photographers way better than myself are having the same issue with these people.[/quote]

Do you think I could not site multiple examples of where I disagreed with a rating for most any voter on the site?

[quote] And, I happen to know it is personal. [/quote]

Is that what you KNOW or is it what you have been told?

[quote]You are speculating...I know for a FACT they have something personal against some people here. I also know that they have done other unethical and inappropriate things for a FACT! [/quote]

Do you think you are enlightening me? I signed on at Daily Awards one year to the day before you did. I have personally witnessed a lot more water flow under the bridge here than you.

[quote]You are either ethical or you are not. Most people don't float in between. So, think what you like. Spout your opinion as much as you like. When the truth comes out...[/quote]

I would imagine there would be no "CLEAN HANDS" to be found.

[quote]...there will be one of us who was making things up and one who knew what was really going on.[/quote]

HERE I AGREE! WE:cool:

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

wemor — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:05:30 GMT

[quote][b]eninja2k (6/8/2007)[/b]Don't you get it? [/quote]

YES! I think so... Why don't you?

[quote][b]eninja2k (6/8/2007)[/b]It's not about the 6!!! It's about the people ARE VOTING 6 on purpose and not because the image deserves it. I am not the only one complaining about this. If I was I would take responsibility for it and move on.[/quote]

I vote 6 a lot. 56% of my votes are 6 or less. I have a good idea who you are inferring too here and I get a variety of votes from them ranging 5 to 10's. I see the same when I review votes of other images. I disagree with you that anyone is voting a 6 all the time. They my be voting six a lot. A lot of those votes may be falling on your images. If an image does not strike a cord with a voter, yet has no real photographic flaws the I think that a six is a fair vote. (some would say seven was fair there, others might say a five).

[quote]What you call being a martyr may be that in your eyes. To me, it's choosing not to play a game that is not being played fairly.
I liken it to someone being in a relationship that is abusive.[/quote]

If you wish to choose not to play the game, fine. Take your ball and go home. It has been done before and we will miss your voice in the choir. The martyr aspect stems for the need to announce your new position of nonparticipation.

[quote]You have to be willing to see past the "6" and that I am complaining about a low score. I'm not. I am complaining about (what many else are) people who do it for no other reason than to feel better about themselves when they get a higher score. [/quote]

Would you be saying the same thing if someone/anyone (allegedly) voted 7 all the time?

[quote]If you don't think that's what's going on, take the wool off your eyes, my man. Because maybe some of my images deserve some 6's but is it a coincidence that it's the same TWO people on every image. [/quote]

Coincidence, no. I suspect that your image was viewed as a six when they voted. And as for voting six on EVERY IMAGE - there would be no point. If you voted the same for every shot, be it 1, 6 or 10 you effectively nullify your vote altogether. Voting one rating for every image - and doing it across many (ALL!) images effectively cancels you vote out. In the long run, your vote would have NO SAY in determining the awards at all.

[quote]On two of the images I got an 8 and 9 from RICHARD HAHN! He also gave me a 7 on one.[/quote]

Good, that is an accomplishment, he has a sharp eye! enjoy your success. Still, you cannot expect everyone to see (and rate) every image the same.

[quote] THESE TWO PEOPLE GAVE ME 6'S ON ALL THREE! So, wake up, dude! These are trouble makers...Who by the way ignore comment requests as well.[/quote]

So, voting a lot of sixes and not answering comment request makes you a "Trouble Maker". Well then add me to the list.

This site is about competitively reviewing and rating submitted photographs. There is much to much attention being focused on individual VOTEs & VOTERs. I don't find it to be productive. The focus should be on the IMAGES. Best of luck... WE

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

wemor — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:59:42 GMT

[quote][b]Petmagnet (6/8/2007)[/b][hr]Vote what you feel without feeling pressured to vote according to how everyone else feels is right or wrong. No one can be wrong in 'opinion' if they are being 'honest'.

:)[/quote]

YES! Thank you!

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

Petmagnet — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:56:12 GMT

If I left for all the 6's I've recieved, I would have been gone months ago.

And if I stayed for all the 10's I've recieved, I would have been gone months ago.

Go figure...

JMO...Vote what you feel without feeling pressured to vote according to how everyone else feels is right or wrong. No one can be wrong in 'opinion' if they are being 'honest'.

Have a great weekend all! :)

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

wemor — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:44:21 GMT

WOW coach! Don't sugar coat it. Tell us how you really feel. Is this how you talk to your Relationship Team? What is your record this season?

Nothing wrong with a six vote - GET OVER IT! The world (and DA) have enough martyrs... WE

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

Zeke Smith — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:58:01 GMT

No offense, but how could removing your own image from competition ever be categorized as unethical? That's completely ridiculous to even bring up. You always have the option to remove any image you submit for any reason. This post of yours makes me think you're just trying to provoke Richard.

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

WillPat — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:47:32 GMT

[quote][b]Daniel (6/8/2007)[/b][hr][quote][b]WillPat (6/8/2007)[/b][hr]Who is the greater manipulator? The person who casts an overly generous vote of 10, or the person who removes an image so that another image will win an award?[/quote]

WillPat.... What are you saying??? Richard deleted an image because he thought it got an unfair advantage when someone gave it a 10 with in sincere motives.... En has commend Richard's actions; I do as well.....

WillPat, are you just trying to "manipulate"????

just a thought,
Daniel[/quote]

My post was more of a rhetorical question than a criticism of either the person who voted the 10 or the person who removed the image. One could ask how does a person know that a vote is "insincere"?, or one could ask if it's proper to remove an image so that it does not win when the voters have placed it high enough to earn an award? Similarly, one could question the motives of someone casting a vote of 10? However, that would be a little harder to rationalize when the image is about to earn an award.

But I would prefer that my post was taken as an attempt to get people to think about what actions are considered as manipulative, and who has the right to fiddle with the outcome of our competitions? And I'll again take this as an opportunity to point out the consequences of the excessive amount of transparency in the current voting system.

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

Daniel — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:49:06 GMT

[quote][b]WillPat (6/8/2007)[/b][hr]Who is the greater manipulator? The person who casts an overly generous vote of 10, or the person who removes an image so that another image will win an award?[/quote]

WillPat.... What are you saying??? Richard deleted an image because he thought it got an unfair advantage when someone gave it a 10 with in sincere motives.... En has commend Richard's actions; I do as well.....

WillPat, are you just trying to "manipulate"????

just a thought,
Daniel

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

WillPat — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:21:45 GMT

Who is the greater manipulator? The person who casts an overly generous vote of 10, or the person who removes an image so that another image will win an award?

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

Tonka — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:43:17 GMT

Andy Congrats!!!

You know I love your work! Always a pleasure to view including your win today:D

Ditto En

RE: Replacement winner Nature Category Award

Stormhaven — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:14:27 GMT

And I bet I can guess who the previous winner was. It's a shame it has come to that. But I was telling my wife this morning, the majority of the members here are people of great integrity and skill, and that's why I participate. Thanks to all of you who fall in that category.