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Posted 3/7/2008 1:43:17 PM Post #22641
 

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Anyone ever experienced problems with light blue eyes and selective coloring!

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Posted 3/7/2008 3:07:06 PM Post #22644
 

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I've done selective coloring on blue eye, what type of problem are you talking about? What is your method for doing the selective color? What program are you doing?
Posted 3/7/2008 9:09:49 PM Post #22659
 

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Hey Chris

In short, I've had 2 models with light blue eyes, the problem I'm experiencing is that once I desat, when I try to bring the eye color back, it is not blue at all!

I've tried the following steps in both PS and Photoimpact, both have the same results

1. Duplicate layer
2. Desat duplicate
3. Paint back color with paintbrush tool (sorry, don't know what you call this)

1. Duplicate layer
2. Mask eye area
3. Desat layer (I've also tried the monochrome channel here)

All I can think, that both being studio shots, maybe the light has something to do with it? After this, one model's eyes seems brownish, the other grayish.

Help please!!!



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Posted 3/8/2008 5:40:49 AM Post #22676
 

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I think the problem is with not with the color changing but the perception of the color. The human eye is averaging/contrasting the tonal shifts so your perception of the blue isn't as strong. If you still have the images you can prove it to yourself. Select the eyedropper tool, put it in the 5x5 averaging mode, and read the results in the info window. The numbers should be the same.

I didn't have any light blue eyes so this isn't as dramatic of an effect as I would have hoped but you can see how the blue is perceived differently without the surrounding contrast. There is another hint in this case given by the brown that is in the eyes as well, without it, I'm not sure they would seem blue at all.



Our eyes (actually or brains) are lazy, they process the information that seems relevant to our survival so a slight color shift is ignored and a greater one is registered on a unconscious level. In the above case the color eye give clues to the existence of a color in the grey eye to the brain, but without the second eye the brain would ignore the slight color shift. From a technical standpoint that's how optical illusions work.

How to solve the problem? You could boost the saturation of the underlying layer to exaggerate the color difference but you will need to use a light hand and perhaps play with the contrast/lightness a bit to get the color to differentiate itself while retaining it's natural beauty. Though complex to understand working in Lab mode is really good at these types of situations.

A bit of an aside but interesting none the less... Most of you know that my passion is shooting wildlife. I had to to train my eye to see differently in order to recognize the animals hidden in the surroundings. Iguanas in their natural habitat naturally blend in and every time I go to shoot them there is a period of time that I don't see any. They can be sitting in trees all around me but until I recognize the pattern of one they don't register, then once the first is spotted all of a sudden I can see them all. Because of this effect, before I even start shooting, I scan the area with a critical eye trying to spot the first then rescan the area to pick out the one I want to capture. Rarely is the first I see the one that is the best subject. Often times it is a movement that allows me to see the first subject.

This holds true not only for Iguanas but insects, birds, shells, almost any natural item. "Seeing" is an active process rather than a passive one, It is one of the things that make photographers and artists different from "other" people.
Posted 3/8/2008 6:20:49 AM Post #22677
 

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I know this somewhat irrelevent to the post subject but in the above, I wanted to comment on "seeing" differently as far as artists are concerned.

How weird you mention this.Friday I was talking to one of the college teachers, Enlish/writing, who has accomplishments in Poetry. We were talking about landscapes and the what brings us to tears and I said that is why I wanted to use the camera for my flowers and nature..to share the beauty which evokes tears...

Okay so maybe it was just a "duh" moment for me but she said, "And that is why I write"..

Okay so a lightbulb goes on and I realized that indeed , "Artists" do "see" differently and it is just not photographers.....
lol..
No point I guess, just wanted to share..



 

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Posted 3/8/2008 6:36:46 AM Post #22679
 

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Musicians, Sculptors, Actors, Architects and yes even Financial Planners see things differently. It is all about seeing the beauty in any aspect of our lives, appreciating it for the wonder it provides and striving for perfection in that aspect. In short, it's about passion.
Posted 3/9/2008 1:01:24 AM Post #22694
 

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Once again, thank you for your time and suggestions Chris!!! I appreciate it!

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